tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860987473436010329.post5380843416745437062..comments2023-04-04T16:25:26.449+01:00Comments on Doug Culnane's Blog: Wings rant.Doug Culnanehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03539164499743848586noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860987473436010329.post-3055726813151250912010-10-11T21:24:04.827+01:002010-10-11T21:24:04.827+01:00It would be cool to go up against Cats and Windsur...It would be cool to go up against Cats and Windsurfers. I think we would win but it would open up development again and make things interesting. We are in danger of become a bit stale as all the boats are even all the same color now.<br /><br />I think it is better to have no rule than one that that is not enforced so as far as i am concerned I would be fine with a box rule and I am fine with unlimited pumping, and sails.<br /><br />I am not happy pretending that the pumping rule works and that the one sail rule is totally clear here. It tends to leave the rules open for those that can bend them.<br /><br />However I do not want to see Adams wing banned and I am not too happy with a human powevered air rowing maching... No easy answer here but it is all worth discussion i think and that discussion needs to go on at all levels of the fleet.<br /><br />I am very pleased that the wing has made us do a reality check and that there seams strong support for a development class rather than some professional one design circuit run by one dominat supplier. I hope there is room for both culturs.Doug Culnanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03539164499743848586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860987473436010329.post-7012218542166152172010-10-08T17:38:54.912+01:002010-10-08T17:38:54.912+01:005sqm wing mast with a 3sqm main sail would be lega...5sqm wing mast with a 3sqm main sail would be legal so why not with a jib?foiltownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07385089909191350455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860987473436010329.post-22449954392338632072010-10-08T11:52:48.376+01:002010-10-08T11:52:48.376+01:00How about one 5 sqm mast with a 3 sqm jib in front...How about one 5 sqm mast with a 3 sqm jib in front of it. Is OK?<br /><br />Still a bit gray if you ask me.Doug Culnanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03539164499743848586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860987473436010329.post-39082231008616997142010-10-08T05:41:50.958+01:002010-10-08T05:41:50.958+01:00Doug,
Best solution to solve the problem of diffe...Doug, <br />Best solution to solve the problem of different interpretations of multi element wing would be for the class to delete the one sail rule altogether. Make the class rules even simpler. <br />There are probably a few other rules we no longer need which could be disposed of at the same time. Wardi has long advocated that the sailboard and catamaran bans have no relevance any more.Phil Stevensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04119956866591088255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860987473436010329.post-47197526771409561642010-10-07T17:57:43.316+01:002010-10-07T17:57:43.316+01:00Try flying the second element of a wing without th...Try flying the second element of a wing without the support of the main element. <br /><br />Just because it doesn't flap doesn't mean it is a load bearing structure. <br /><br />One mast one sail!<br />One keeps the whole lot in the air the other is supported by the formerfoiltownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07385089909191350455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860987473436010329.post-6403624056536334102010-10-07T15:40:52.980+01:002010-10-07T15:40:52.980+01:00doug and giovanni both get rides for sure.doug and giovanni both get rides for sure.Bora Gularihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02502940938290579388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860987473436010329.post-41029829150982382252010-10-07T13:28:05.639+01:002010-10-07T13:28:05.639+01:00The day we have winning wing sails on the circuit ...The day we have winning wing sails on the circuit - if we ever see that day - we can start weighing the pros and cons of the final product. Today they hardly look like a threat to the class. Banning wing sails preemptively might mean starting a slide down a slippery slope away from the developmental nature of the class. I don't think wing sails have succeeded in becoming the norm on A class cats I am even more skeptical about their possibilities in I Moths ( see - http://www.mathran.nl/acat/node/23 ) Hower it is fantastic to see what Adam has done it is a huge achievement - perhaps on par with winning a major event. Why take the option to innovate away, it is part of the reason for being in a development class?<br /><br />GiovanniGiovanni Galeottihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12895290223853580492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860987473436010329.post-49942767648986946222010-10-07T13:02:44.122+01:002010-10-07T13:02:44.122+01:00PS: If I was Mach 2 I would be very concerned if t...PS: If I was Mach 2 I would be very concerned if the numbers participating in the class reduced, as that is my customer base. Therefore I think there is a commercial aspect to this and it is the current equipment suppliers that are most active in the debate so far... However it is true that they do seam to try to protect the best interests of there customers.Doug Culnanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03539164499743848586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860987473436010329.post-25785269261811480032010-10-07T12:54:10.285+01:002010-10-07T12:54:10.285+01:00Simon,
I do love a good Internet debate and I jus...Simon,<br /><br />I do love a good Internet debate and I just wanted to represent the bearded home builder section of the fleet that may have fun building a wing themselves cheaper than buying a standard soft rig.<br /><br />You and Andrew make very good points and I do think you both are genuine in your concern for the Moth class, as was Mark Thorpe when hydrofoils evolved.<br /><br />It is a good debate but it is at best hard to guess what the results of preliminary development and write rules that will stop potential problems. Maybe solid sails will evolve to be cheaper and more robust but I suspect that they will be expensive, time consuming and impractical toys for a few guys. I do not think I will join this club but I like the option and do not think I have the right to stop others.Doug Culnanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03539164499743848586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860987473436010329.post-57033102587000673172010-10-07T12:37:18.467+01:002010-10-07T12:37:18.467+01:00Take a current mast and sail shrink it to half siz...Take a current mast and sail shrink it to half size and duplicate it. Put both mini sails on the boat and call one a mast and the other a sail. This is clearly wrong but both have structural and soft bits, like a 2 element wing sail.Doug Culnanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03539164499743848586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860987473436010329.post-86892540437879531832010-10-07T12:36:37.881+01:002010-10-07T12:36:37.881+01:00Doug
Thanks for your nice remarks but I don't...Doug <br />Thanks for your nice remarks but I don't want you to confuse the content of the Mach 2 forum with any commercial interest we have in the class. We are long standing Moth sailors through and through with over 50 years of combined Moth racing experience between us. We care more about the class than any one or anything else. <br />Logically if you think about it though, if any entity is best positioned to build wing rigs en mass, its probably us...<br />But the point of the post was to encourage debate. We didn't see that happening credibly anywhere else<br />Your observation about measurement is a good one and does need to be clarified.<br />SimonSimon Paynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12434093134949337406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860987473436010329.post-73245523415910807962010-10-07T12:18:35.144+01:002010-10-07T12:18:35.144+01:00Excuse my ignorance. What's a 2 sleeve luff sa...Excuse my ignorance. What's a 2 sleeve luff sail?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10665526165006600802noreply@blogger.com